Our entry table from the old house naturally landed right next to the front door of the new house too. It has lived there since day one without much second thought. Until recently.
Just for fun we moved it to a new spot and ended up liking it there more. It wasn’t a major relocation. It just sorta “drifted” down the hallway a bit.
The new spot seems to suit it better for some reason. It’s probably a combination of these 3 things:
- It moved from an unpainted rough looking space to a painted area that feels more polished.
- Visions of the previous owners’ furniture linger in our minds (they had a console there too).
- It was waaay too small to balance out the built-ins on the other side of the future dining room.
The only dilemma we had about the shift was how to center the table. You can actually see in the pic above that it hugs one door frame pretty closely while leaving lots of extra space on the other side (see below).
After looking at it in a bunch of different places on that wall (centered, cheated a little, totally flush on the left, etc) we opted for this “off-center” wall placement because of how it looked from the kitchen – the view we’d be seeing it from most often. See? Looks perfectly centered through the kitchen doorway. Warning: ugly paneling alert.
Of course now we can’t just recreate the same symmetrical frame arrangement above it like we had in our first house because it’ll look crazy crooked. But who wants a house clone anyway? Not this guy (points to self with thumbs). So we’ve hatched a new frame plan to finish off this little vestibule area. Yes, I just said vestibule. 500 points to me.
We’re actually thinking we might go crazy and fill the walls with white frames of all different sizes & shapes for a mixed-and-matched-collected-over-time vibe. We figured taking the collection nearly floor to ceiling will help address the negative space next to the console, while also creating an awesome gallery for personal photos, kid art, old maps, favorite fortune cookie fortunes, and everything else we love to slap in a frame. It’ll almost be like wallpaper since the arrangement will be so dense.
You know, kinda like this and this and this. But different because those pics are probably full of real (read: expensive) art and most of ours will be DIY & Etsy & images from old calendars. You know, the whole champagne taste on a root beer budget debacle (I’m a soda guy, just go with it, ok?). And speaking of saving loot, fortunately we already have tons of white frames sitting around just waiting to be hung. See them all leaning against the wall in the guest room?
Oh and as for what will go where it once lived near the front door in the future dining room, we’re keeping an eye on cragislist for a bigger more proportionate cabinet or buffet for that zone. Details to come when we find “the one.”
Psst- Ack- we just learned that Facebook changed everyone’s options. Grrr. So if you’re not getting our posts in your feed anymore, simply scroll down to the bottom of your Facebook Home Page and click “Edit Options” and then choose “Show Posts From All Friends And Family” instead of just those people you interact with most often. Leave it to Facebook to keep us on our toes…
Mary says
The reason I knew John wrote this post and not Sherry (aside from the posted by John at the top) is because there was no Reason #4: The console now sits next to the ceramic dog. Clearly that is another reason it is happier in the new location. ;)
YoungHouseLove says
Hahahahahahahahaha.
So. True.
xo,
s
Jessica Lynette says
Your idea to transform the former dining room to an office and make the {unused} extra living room into a dining room is GENIUS! We are in an older house and have a formal living room and a family room and we just don’t have a use for both rooms. We have tried to make both spaces work, but it seems pointless to have two similar rooms – I was going through your archives last night and saw the idea and convinced the husband that it would be amazing in our house…. so it’s this weeks project to move rooms around! Thanks for the fabulous inspiration :)
YoungHouseLove says
So glad! Good luck with everything!
xo,
s
Jenn(ifer) @ heim-elich says
It is one of the things that always strike me (from Germany) as “funny” about American homes – why have two pretty much identical spaces of which one is basically just for show and one for actual use… Guess we had that over here too, way back when, but nowadays space is just to expensive for that kinf od “luxury” – we just paid around $ 95.000 for 6.000 square feet of land (and that was a really good deal)
Leslie *Fresh Out of Lemons* says
I have this same situation- an “offset” piece of furniture so that it will be centered in the view of a double doorway. I had always wondered how the Youngsters would tackle the problem and am relieved to learn that I was right to just go with it!
danielle says
ohh i can’t wait to see all the white frames up. I am on the hunt for a console table (hopefully something goodwill that i can redo) for my basement – down there is a tv family area and a play area for the kids but at the bottom of the stairs is a blank wall that i want to put a little table and hang a bunch of white frames above. i have already started collecting them. i had painted that wall with magnetic paint when we moved in so i hope to hang the frames alone (no glass) and hang the kids art work and other pics etc inside the frames with magnets. i hope it comes out nice.
Stephanie Phillips says
That sounds great!! LOVE the magnetic idea! Post pics on FB when it’s done!
Lauryn says
could you use a tall coat rack there? Or would you do something like that closer to the front door? I love the salon wall idea. Maybe if you had the coat rack there it would draw you further into the house before putting your things down…anyway, looks great! :-)
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Lauryn,
Good suggestion! But see that door next to the wall in the first pic (with the console before we moved it)? That’s a coat closet, so we don’t need a coat rack thanks to that! We’re hoping a wall full o’ frames will create some nice interest and a smidge of balance without feeling too “perfectly planned.” We’re definitely going for the haphazard, mixed & matched look. We shall see how it goes!
xo,
s
Cait @ Hernando House says
I like the way the console is framed in the kitchen doorway, and the idea of a big gallery wall sounds cool!
Georgia says
The console looks great in its new location, and I love the dense frames as wall covering idea. I just did that on part of a wall in my living room–floor to ceiling frames with family photos in white mats–and I really love it.
On an unrelated note, I have a dilemma I’d like your opinion on, should you ever care to address it. I have a beloved family member who sometimes gives us large pieces of “artwork” as gifts, most recently a 24″ x 36″ framed homemade collage that she spent a lot of time on. Most of it is not to our taste, but we don’t want to hurt her feelings. I found a place for the collage on a wall in a little-used room that can’t be seen from the hall, but I cringed hanging it up at all. Any advice?
(Writing under an alias so she never sees this. :)
YoungHouseLove says
That’s always a tough situation! We actually don’t get given much home stuff (I guess people figure that we have that covered- hah) but we always believe in thoroughly thanking the person, displaying the item the next few times they visit (even if it’s not out the rest of the time) and then donating it after a while – just because life’s too short to have anything that you don’t love in your house. But it’s a really hard thing to deal with. Does anyone else have advice for “Georgia”?
xo,
s
Hayley says
The way I think of it is this. If I gave someone something they didn’t like, I would never ask, ‘where’s that giant furry cushion I bought you that I thought you would like?’. So from an awkardness point of view, I don’t think it’s an issue, because people would never comment on it. (Unless they are just rude and demanding people, but I don’t mind being rude back to them!).
I do know what you mean that it makes you feel bad, but seeing it all the time will remind you of that negative feeling. I have decided to remove everything from my house that has negative feelings attached to it – even it was a present, or expensive. The hat that I thought looked great for weddings until I saw the photos? Gone. The expensive shoe rack that never quite lived up to it’s claims of organizing your entire life in one go? Gone.
But, as Sherry said, be sure to give heartfelt thanks for the gesture and the work they put in.
Or another option – anyway changing the frame, or rearranging the contents slightly could help it’s appearance? I was once given a framed poem, and although it didn’t match my decor, the sentiment was nice. I re-matted and framed it, and when my friend saw it, she said, ‘love what you’ve done with that!’
Melissa @ A Place to Nest says
Any way to keep a “section” of the artwork and frame that a bit smaller? Not sure what the overall picture looks like but if a part of it has some visual interest- what about cutting it down to a manageable 8 x10 frame and displaying it somewhere?
And if they see it later on and ask- you can say that you really prefer smaller artwork and they might get the hint. Or get you something you can store away in a more manageable way.
kim says
I would always go with the honestly route. Just tell her that you love her work but that you have a vision for your home decor and it’s not in your vision. And that you would prefer the art piece to go to someone’s home were it will shine on there wall space and not look out of place.
annabelvita says
My friends gave me a collage for my 21st birthday. It was perfect when I was in college but when my decor tastes grew up a bit I took a photo of it (and all the sweet messages on the back, put the photos in an album and used the frame for something else.
Lindsay says
I completely understand! My mother-in-law gave us a LARGE 3-D picture for Christmas. I really hate it but it will be up in the house next time she comes to visit. It’s easier for us because we live far away from our families and I know she will only be here one or two weeks out of the year. I will put it up this next time and then after that probably donate it. It’s always important to be gracious and thankful for a gift, but don’t over-thank out of nervousness because you might confuse the person and get something similar again in the future! :)
Emily says
My friends have a big collage like that and they put cabinet hardware (handles) on it and used it for a tray for their daughter (for art projects and eating in front of the tv). It bears mentioning that it is covered with plastic, not glass. At least that way, you can store it out of the way and pull it out when they come over and it would have some functionality, too.
lauren says
I am in the same boat… a friend gave us some pictures that she LOVED and had framed for us… we think they’re borderline creepy… In our last place we had a small wall to hang them. But now that we’ve purchased a place I just don’t have the heart to put them up. I can’t stand them! So I guess my advice would be to hang them for a little while if you can… but if not, tell them you’ve been trying to figure out where to place them and just can’t!
Stacy says
Also, when donating the gift, consider donating to a charity of some sort of relevance to the artist(maybe a school for young artists?). This may make him or her feel more special than if you said you donated it to Goodwill* or a garage sale.
*This is not to say Goodwill does not have treasures because we KNOW they do!
Lisa says
My husband and I gave my brother-in-law (a Yankees fan) some Yankees wall art (ticket stubs from all World Series wins) figuring he would love it. My sister-in-law is however a Red Sox fan (read: ultimate rivarly). So while there is Red Sox memorabilia in their living room the Yankees memorabilia never made it up on the walls. They may just be waiting to finish off a man cave in the basement but instead, my husband and I (uninsulted) took the hint and decided it may not have been the best gift ever, as previously thought. Again, uninsulted.
By putting it up for a short time you may inadvertantly feed into a, “well they liked it so I’ll keep gifting along the same lines” idea instead of nipping it politely from the get-go.
Witty Wife says
I am in complete agreement with annabelvita’s suggestion. Sounds perfect.
Alisa says
So..uh..instead of frames, I thought you guys were going to say you were going to put a small chair on the other side of the dog. You know. So you can pet it and stuff. Of course, that’s my solution to every off balance wall we have in the house- I just throw a chair against a wall and call it a day.
YoungHouseLove says
Haha, the ceramic dog petting chair. Of course!
xo,
s
Dianne says
Great choice in the placement and with the dog beside it it totally works..How is the guest room coming?
YoungHouseLove says
Ahhhhh- don’t ask. We’re still waiting for our ReStore pickup for all those doors/fans, and then we have to hang some frames to get them outta there so we can start. Oh and we have to go mattress hunting today or tomorrow. Yikes!
xo,
s
Amanda @ Our Humble A{Bowe}d says
I think the art wall will look great! I was actually going to suggest putting frames down the right side to balance if you didn’t! Can’t wait to see it in action!
Beatriz says
Love how you guys seem to take your existing furniture and make it look new and repurposed in this house.
Do you have any ideas on what sort of entry table you will put in the “dining room”. ……if at all?
YoungHouseLove says
We’re thinking we’ll find a larger more to-scale piece from craigslist (probably a buffet or cabinet instead of a console for more hidden storage that’ll come in handy for the nearby dining table).
xo,
s
Jenn(ifer) @ heim-elich says
With the position of the door (quite close to the corner) make sure whatever you get doesn’t stick out to far so you are not blocking the path to the coat closet…
Judy says
I can’t believe I’m the first one to ask this question, but where, oh where, did y’all find the glass cloches?
YoungHouseLove says
That’s from a garage sale (four bucks!). Wahoo. The other thing is a vase from ZGallerie (a b-day gift from John’s fam a while back).
xo,
s
Melissa @ A Place to Nest says
Question- the plant displayed- real or fake? I love the look of a plant under glass but worried a real one would cook up. Also any plants on a table would become food for the cat – not good.
YoungHouseLove says
That’s a fake one from ikea (looks pretty convincing though) but we had a real fern under there for a while, so as long as they’re moisture loving plants they might be ok.
xo,
s
karen @ our slo house says
I love the new location of the console table, for all the reasons listed.
You know what would really balance it out?
A life-sized (white)ceramic giraffe! C’mon…I can see you have the space for it…
YoungHouseLove says
Truer words were never spoken. I’m on the hunt as of this moment. Haha.
xo,
s
Melissa @ A Place to Nest says
This would be cool if painted white
http://www.etsy.com/listing/53785362/bright-orange-ceramic-giraffe-large
YoungHouseLove says
Dangerous! It’s dangerous to share these things with me. Because I get crazy ideas.
xo,
s
Nikki G says
Ooohh, and the giraffe IS Clara’s favorite wild animal! Hehe :)
YoungHouseLove says
This is true…
xo,
s
Lindsay says
Clara definitely NEEDS that!!
zana says
m sooo talll n thin …just paint me n kip me in ur home….i will live happily ever after in such awesome surroundings….lolz jks
btw i love havinn a dose of yhl everyday ever since i discoved u guys from a baby mags referral!!!=)
Nesting Newbies says
It looks very nice there! Good job guys!
Bob says
“But different because those pics are probably full of real (read: expensive) art…”
Come on, guys! “Real” art need not be expensive. This perpetuates the myth that art is inaccessible to most people and that’s just not true.
YoungHouseLove says
You’re right Bob. You know I believe art is in the eye of the beholder! I knew you’d pipe up at the mention of art though. Haha.
xo,
s
Tanya says
Forget the ugly panelling – it’s the baby poo yellow light switch that’s killing me. So sorry if you were attached to it.
YoungHouseLove says
Haha. Nope.
xo,
s
Dasha says
So do you use that console table as an actual entry table or is it more decorative? I’m really wondering about the books on the stools/ottomans. They look great, but don’t they make the stools unusable for sitting on to put on/take off shoes and such? Do you only really ever enter through the back door? I guess as a lifelong New Yorker I’m not used to having anything in the house that is not serving at least three functions… or having more than one door. You guys probably remember what that was like :)
YoungHouseLove says
The ottomans are just for storage (they’re full of DVDs and other books) since we always enter through the side door in the carport – which leads into our little laundry room slash mudroom. The console was just a nice way to distinguish our entryway in the old house (we’d put Halloween candy on it, use the drawers to hold Burger’s toys, etc. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Randi says
John and Sherry, I just noticed that you brought out the clear hurricane vase filled with wine corks (at least that’s what it looks like on your table!)and it reminded me that I need to give you both a sincere ‘thank you!’
I recently got married and our wedding was on a very small budget aka if I couldn’t make it, I couldn’t have it… :) And I struggled for weeks on what to use for table centerpieces at our reception. Then, after searching through some of your archived posts, I saw the wine cork filled vase and I knew it was perfect! It was affordable, and actually fit my wedding perfectly because we went to wine country for our honeymoon!
So, thank you again for all the inspiration! Your blog is always full of the best ideas that I can actually afford to recreate :)
YoungHouseLove says
Aw you’re welcome! Your wedding sounds like it was beautiful!
xo,
s
Wom-Mom Ethne says
Can’t wait to see what artwork Clara contributes to the wall! Our 3-year-olds could fill every inch! And good idea on the fortune cookie fortune. I will look for a mini wee frame for just such thing. ~Ethne
http://www.wom-mom.com
elizabeth says
Where did you get your table? I really like the height and shape!
YoungHouseLove says
It’s from target.com a while back. Maybe called Hudson or Manhattan?
xo,
s
richard says
Lu-u-u-u-ve this idea! Really chic; I have to commend you both on your space awareness!!! Can’t wait to see it with the frames up!!
Chris says
I’m dying to know your plans for the kitchen walls? Paint??
YoungHouseLove says
Yup, primer and some bold color on the walls (assuming we go white with the cabinets, which is the current plan). Who knows where we’ll end up though!
xo,
s
kim says
So confused, tried to enter yesterdays draw and it say’s I already did. So what is happening am I starting to loose my marbles and I don’t remember doing that yesterday, or ……. Please help I can’t be loosing my marbles yet I just turned 40.
YoungHouseLove says
If you’re at work it’s possible that someone else on your network entered and it’s logging that as a duplicate. Or you could be entering the exact same comment as someone else (so it believes it’s a duplicate comment). So if you just wrote “Happy Valentine’s Day!” entering what you did (the bonus question) should differentiate your answer and allow it through. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
kim says
table looks great and love the idea of the pics things are really coming together. How’s the spare room coming? And will you be painting the dinning room before or after the table arrives?
YoungHouseLove says
You can scroll back through the comments for a spare room update (it’s bleak). As for painting the future dining room, we don’t think we’ll get to it before the table comes, but we’ll just toss down a dropcloth or two to protect it.
xo,
s
Stacey says
Sorry that this comment is off topic – BUT where is your rectangle dining table from??
YoungHouseLove says
That’s from Target a while back. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Jenn L says
I really like the new spot! And somehow I’ve never noticed this little set up in photos before (shame one me!) — it is so cute! It looks very pottery barn slash crate and barrel esque and the storage ottomans under the table really complete that look!
genius! as always =)
xoXOxo
Jenn @ Peas & Crayons
Kristina says
Where did you get your table and chairs in the kitchen? I am looking for a darker set that can put up with a 4 and 2 year old. I like the style of yours and that it has no fabric or cushions.
YoungHouseLove says
Target! Love them.
xo,
s
Erin N says
I absolutely love the white frame idea!!!! It’s going to look so awesome, I can’t wait to see!
Krystal says
Love the new arrangement!
BTW, I love that you keep your favorite fortune cookie fortunes. I once got one that said, “One day you will realize how futile your life really is.” I was mildly offended, but I kept the insulting fortune for whatever reason. I later framed some of my favorite fortunes and threw that one in there too for laughs. I love watching my friends do a double take when they read them and say things like, “Why would you keep THAT?” I have an odd sense of humor…
Bree says
My first thought (as a mom of 3) is ‘I can’t wait to see how they move things around as Clara grows’. (seeing especially the neatly stacked books under the table, and the glass – the GLASS! – on top) I handled it with a series of ugly temporary fixes. You will be a wealth of information on keeping the home attractive AND kid-friendly. Unless she’s one of those who will just leave stuff alone. I didn’t have any of those…
Brandi says
Is that console from Target? I think I have the same one! I bought it in college and recently repainted it and put new handles on so it looks awesome in our new house. It’s a great piece. I really love the gallery wall idea. Can’t wait to see it!
YoungHouseLove says
Yup, totally Target.
xo,
s
Tammy says
Hi you guys!
I’ve always been curious where you got that lovely glass vase that’s on top of the table you just moved. I’ve been looking for one just like it with no luck :-(
Love your site!
xo,
Tammy
YoungHouseLove says
That was from ZGallerie a while back (we’ve seen similar versions at TJ Maxx and HomeGoods lately). Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Charlie "Hardwood" Flooring says
I love all the thought processes that went into this decision – particularly the positioning of the table. I like the way it looks from the kitchen but aren’t you worried that it makes that little section closer to the door look kind of bare? I like Alisa’s idea – maybe a little chair. Something like this one: http://observatory.designobserver.com/entry.html?entry=15698.
p.s. Thanks for the ugly paneling alert. I’ll look forward to seeing how it turns out.
YoungHouseLove says
We’ll be filling the bare portion of the wall with nearly floor to ceiling frames! It should fill things in and keep it looking mixed & matched and kinda haphazard and imperfect. Should be interesting…
xo,
s
Rachel says
Love the white picture frame idea – definitely go for it! I did something similar on one entire wall of our master bedroom and LOVE it! Happy DIYing! You guys are a great inspiration!
Jen @ The Decor Scene says
LOVE the new location. And I love your idea of all the frames on that wall. It’s going to look gorgeous!
So how is the Guest Bedroom coming along? ;)
YoungHouseLove says
Slowly. Scroll back through the comments for a pathetic update. We’ll keep you posted when things actually start happening!
xo,
s
Katie says
I love how the ottomans under the table make it look more “complete” — sometimes I look at my console table and feel like to looks out of place or “off” somehow because there’s all this empty, unused space under it, but every time I tried to put something under there it made it look messy. Maybe I will have to try some ottomans.
Tanya from dans-le-townhouse.blogspot.com says
Sometimes the little changes make the biggest impact! Love the table in its new location – it definitely makes more sense there and you have wide enough hallways (sooo jealous). Also loved seeing some more home pics – yay!
Nancy says
I love the idea of the frames. I saved a Pottery Barn catalog from last year because I loved the way the frames looked on the wall in one of the pictures.
Need your opinion.. we have knotty pine paneling in our den. I hate it, hubbie loves it.. do you think that what you did on your beams would look good on paneled walls? So, he can still have his “wood” look and it won’t be so in your face paneling to me.
Love where you moved the table.. looking great!
YoungHouseLove says
Oh yeah! You could whitewash (or graywash) it so the grain would still peek through! Just apply it really thinly so you don’t end up covering the grain. Good luck!
xo,
s
kim says
Knotty pine…woman want to paint it, men always want to leave it (well most men). What is it with men and wood? Anyways Sarah Richardson whitewashed her whole cottage looked great. here is the link
http://www.sarahrichardsondesign.com/portfolio/project/sarahs-cottage/dining-room
Nichole@40daysof says
I would have centered it on the kitchen doorway, too. Can’t wait to see what you find on craigslist.
http://40daysof.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/lighting-makeover-before-after/
Lindsay says
Love the new table placement. Especially because I love the ceramic dog sitting next to it. It looks just like me dog!
Love the site, keep up the inspiration!
Lindsay
Brittany says
Do you ever thrift picture frames? I wanted a semi-mismatched look for my daughter’s room, so I shopped at Goodwill and the Salvation Army. I got a good mix of frames that will look great and a little cohesive with some white paint.
Also, how do you plan to mount the frames so Clara can’t pull them off? My husband and I use the 3M poster strips (the removable kind) on the bottom of frames, so they hang straight. We haven’t hung anything low enough for her to grab yet.
YoungHouseLove says
We were thinking if kidproofing with 3M strips so it’s funny you mention that! We’ll blog all about the details when we get there for sure.
And as for thrifting frames – yes! There are so many great cheap-o options to be found!
xo,
s
annabelvita says
I think this placement would work great as a dessert table/buffet when you have guests over. You can prepare it all earlier and have it lined up ready out of the way of the kitchen.
rebecca a. says
I love the new location and I love the idea of making the wall a gallery. The table being off center would make me crazy, but I think the gallery will definitely fix that. I have issues with symmetry…the first step is admitting I have a problem hehe.
Erin D. says
I love where the console ended up. Very cool. I also have to say that our guest room looks exactly like yours right now. As soon as we moved in last month, the hubby bought all new white doors to replace the scratched up wood ones, but there have been bigger projects to tackle first. I also love the idea of a wall full of framed pictures and other treasures in one spot. I plan to do that in our hallway leading to the guest bedrooms. It’s a very small space, but it will be nice to have somewhere to look upon people and objects you love.
tracie says
love the wall of frames/photos idea. just a suggestion.. maybe try a standing mirror, next to your pooch? that would fill the negative space, without feeling heavy.. and would go very well w/ the photos. :)
Jess says
I love the frame idea and I’ve been trying a similar technique in our house. Where do you guys find your white frames? I have been hunting TJ Maxx with no luck!
YoungHouseLove says
Most of ours are from Ikea and Target, but thrift stores are great too (just add spray paint).
xo,
s
Leigh Anne says
What type of spray paint do you all use when it comes to picture frames? Glossy, semi-gloss, etc?
YoungHouseLove says
Glossy or semi-gloss both work really well (we usually go for semi-gloss).
xo,
s
MyDesignGuide.com says
I know we are behind on all the action here…but just wanted to say the parquet floors are gorgeous.
Andrea B says
Very nice! It looks like it was meant to be there. I also like the picture frames idea. You guys are so smart to use the frames and art you already have!
I went for something similar in our living room but made the (very bad) mistake of putting up the frames with the *intention* of getting art to fit. Yikes. My husband’s grandmother actually thought that the generic happy model couple were us. Umm … ok. Guess it’s time to stop explaining about the fun hunt for size-appropriate art and just rearrange what we do have. :)
Karen says
“floor to ceiling” frames with a toddler…you guys are so cute. :) though, you could magnetize the wall, make all the frames plastic with magnets on the back for clara. at least those that are below the four foot mark.
YoungHouseLove says
We’re thinking of using those removable 3M adhesive strips. We’ll definitely spill the details when we get there…
xo,
s
jenn says
will you guys be using completely different frames for this? or similar frames all painted one colour? im curious because i’m planning on making something similar but not as large and i cant decide if i want it uniformed or eclectic.
YoungHouseLove says
We’re all about working with what we have (read: we’re cheap) so since we already have a ton of white frames we’ll be going that route for now. But who knows how it’ll evolve over time…
xo,
s