Maybe it’s the whole organize-everything-because-it’s-spring thing or even a bit of last minute nesting, but lately I’ve been all about whipping things into submission. As in, finding a place for every last paperclip and utensil… even putting every single one of our photos into coordinated leather albums and chronologically numbering them. Yeah, it’s a little crazy but I’ve always been a nerd for organization. And looking at those nice little hand-numbered tags just makes me smile. It’s the little things, right?
The first stage of the project was to go through all my mismatched old falling-apart albums (and stacks of sad album-less photos) and put them all in chronological order. Then I grabbed some nice-enough-but-not-bank-breaking albums from Target and filled ’em up. I could have stopped there but I wondered if they might be hard to differentiate and sift through since they’re all so similar looking (which I like for consistency, but it’s not as easy to remember as “the moving photos are in the yellow sunflower album”).
And so the idea of numbering the albums was born…
One trip to Office Max and a few dollars later I came home with these metal-rimmed white labels. They actually were meant for labeling valet keys or something (so I removed the little key loops) but the loops would actually be handy for hanging them off of baskets in a linen closet. Gotta love a multitasking accessory like that.
Anyway, I just scribbled a number on each one using a regular old ballpoint pen and relied on a loop of scotch tape to secure them to each album (a dot of Liquid Nails would probably hold them in place even more securely). What do you think? Does it make you want to slap me? Or does it make you want to organize something? I’m one of those people who watches other people clean their house on TV and immediately wants to clean mine. Here’s hoping my obsessive organizing rubs off on a few enthusiastic storage freaks like me!
And since many people write to us to ask how we organize and store our photos on the computer along with our hard copies, here’s more info in that regard. We keep a folder for each month on the computer (since all of our pics are digital) and we dump them into the right month as we take them. Then every few months we go thought a few months at a time and pick the ones we love and get them printed at CVS on the cheap and stick them (chronologically) in our newly-matched-and-numbered albums. Then we toss the rest into the computer trash and hit “empty.” We definitely like editing down our photos (instead of printing every single one that we take). And burning the remaining photos that we thought were good enough to print at the end of the year on a CD labeled as “Photos 2009” gives us a nice little photo backup system that’s easy to maintain (we’re left with one small CD of annual pics to store in our fireproof safe, while the identical CVS prints are displayed in our numbered albums).
So that’s what works for us. And speaking of organization, what have you guys corralled or chronologically arranged lately? Any junk-drawer-clean-outs going on? What about paring down clothes or donating all those unused cans of food in the backs of your kitchen cabinets? Do tell. You know we live vicariously through you guys, right?
Psst- Wanna see other “Easy Upgrades” we’ve implemented? Here’s one and here’s another.
Christine says
I kinda want to slap you a little – but it’s pure jealousy! I am NOT an organizing freak, although I like things to be organized. Go figure. It’s really a tragic dichotomy. Maybe you should start a side business of organizing other people’s stuff…I call dibs.
Amy says
Slap you? More like pat you on the back! I’ve always loved organizing things as well, but this nesting business has really put the instinct into turbo drive. Haven’t tackled the photos yet, but I was just dealing with paperclips….
Stephanie says
It doesn’t make me want to slap you, but it kind of makes my stomach hurt thinking of 6 years of photos I’ve got stored on my computer. Time is a precious gift that I have none of…Love your site :)
Nichole@40daysof says
I’m thinking of how much work that would be if I were to do this project and I’ve become a little light headed. At least all of my photos have been digital for the last eight years, so I can send them somewhere like Apple for an album. Yours look great. Wish I had the energy!
http://40daysof.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/chairs-chairs-and-more-chairs/
shanna says
Love it! A few questions for you – did you index the contents of the albums too? In other words, did you create a document that states that photos from 1995-1998 are in album 1 (or topical or whatever) or do you just know that 1 is the earliest and 10 is the most recent? Also, and more important for me to know: where the heck do you store the albums? I have a bunch of these myself (and two kids with their own albums). We have a tiny house and storage is at a premium. I hate to toss the albums in a storage closet … but there really isn’t a place where I can keep them out.
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Shanna,
We didn’t but it’s a total possibility. We’re pretty good at looking at photos and remembering if it’s before or after a certain experience so it’s pretty easy to flip through things and find what we’re looking for. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Liz @ Bon Temps Beignet says
I have the exact same pack of key rings. Thanks for the tip!
Patti says
I totally relate to your need to organize. I just feel better when things are in their place. One thing I did recently … I was being overrun by music cds. I buy mp3s now, but I didn’t want to get rid of my older cds. I purchased a huge leather cd binder at walmart (made specifically for storing cds) and loaded all of them in alphabetical order by artist. Then I set aside some of the cd cover artwork that I liked, framed them (Ikea had the perfect sized frames for cd art) and hung them in the den. I saved a few of the cd jewel cases for use, but recycled the others.
Marlene says
Love it! As a fellow self-proclaimed organizing nerd I’m very impressed with the matching albums and you numbering system. Great job! I’m itching to organize our photos as well, but that will have to wait for a rainy day. Oh, what’s that? It’s raining right now?! Well it has to wait for another rainy day then…
ps, also loving the Julie & Julia reference; “whipping things into submission” ;-) did you think it would go by unnoticed?!
laura says
Just in time! My finals are over tomorrow and a project that I planned on tackling this summer is our 7 years of photos since we started dating, to now being 1 year married. Our computer is stuffed with photos so I really like your idea on how to deal with that—it’s brilliant. Compacting them onto CDs and storing them in the firesafe box allows one to be able to keep their cherished photos safe–I never thought of it. Thank you so much, you may have just saved our memories!
laura says
oh, the hard part though, how do you choose which ones to keep–I know the obvious blurry ones, etc. but, I am very sentimental and so I keep everything, this is starting to hurt though–can you give some advice on how to break that way of being? How to not hold onto every little thing because it has some emotional or sentimental feeling?
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Laura,
We’re pretty good at paring down (our past of living in tiny NYC apartments really helps in that regard) so we just look at events where we have 40 photos and pick the best 5 to capture the day and eliminate anything that we won’t miss. Of course when it comes to our honeymoon or our wedding we have special separate albums for those events, but we don’t need thirty photos of our niece’s play- just the best three where we can actually see her on stage. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Kristi W. @ Life at the Chateau Whitman says
I love the organized albums! I am really into organizing at the moment too. And I mean organizing everything. No junk drawer left behind!
I was curious if you have any plans to scan your photos in and keep a digital copy. This is something I have often wondered about. If there was a fire or my photo albums somehow were damaged, I’d really like to have the option of printing more. But of course that would be a really time-consuming affair, and we also don’t have a scanner. Just curious to hear your thoughts.
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Kristi,
If you check out that beefy paragraph towards the end of this post it explains that we burn a CD of all the duplicate photos that we print for our album and store them in our fireproof safe as a backup. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
shelia says
ok. definitely love the look. Any suggestions on books that are already done to make them look more cohesive? all the same size just different patterns. Too many to start from the beginning! Thanks for the computer file tip!
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Shelia,
Hmm, my sister in law recovered her albums with fabric and a glue gun (sort of the same way you make paper bag book covers in school but with fabric) so that’s an idea. You could also attempt to unify them by painting or wrapping the spine of each book in something similar or identical so when they’re all on a shelf they look coordinated. Even something like adding numbers could tie them together like ours. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Jessica @ How Sweet says
I am an organizing junkie and must have anything and everything organized!
Kate says
We just keep all our photos on the computer since we never end up looking at them if they’re printed. The only photo albums we have in the apartment right now are of our wedding proof photos, but we always end up looking at them on our computer anyway (I also have a ton of photo albums of family photos from the first 18 or so years of life, but those are still at my parents’ for now).
I feel like we need some easy upgrades right now, but I can’t think of any to do! I think the biggest thing I need is some way to control all the papers we have. I have tons and tons and tons of papers that I feel I need to keep (mostly all my bills for the last 5 or so years) and I need to figure out what needs to be kept vs. shredded and a good way to control what I do need to keep.
Dana @ House*Tweaking says
I feel like giving you a hug…not slapping you! I’m one of those aforementioned “organization nerds”. I love the idea of putting together chronological photo albums. Just got put onto my looooong to-do list. I just straightened up my craft closet here…
http://www.housetweaking.com/2010/04/15/craft-closet-mission-accomplished/
My next big organization project will be my son’s closet. It’s a total disaster. Makes for a good ‘after’ though. Happy nesting! And what’s with this starting to work on a new home office next week…aren’t you supposed to be having a baby??!!
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Dana,
Yup, I am still actively cooking my little beanette since she hasn’t decided to make an appearance yet. There are just 7 days til my due date though! We do have a feeling that I’ll go late (it’s a family thing) but whenever she decides to arrive we promise an update (of course!) when she’s here. Can’t wait!
xo,
s
Leanne says
Slap you? No way. It makes me want to high five you!! I have the exact same system with my photo albums even down to the yearly cd burning bit. The only difference is that I use my label maker (don’t tell me you don’t have one of these??) to label each one with the start and end month (ie: Jan ’05 to Oct ’05 etc)so it’s a quick grab to get the right one.
Kate says
I’m jealous too. But I want more info. on your photo organization. How many albums do you have so far? Where do you store them? How many photos does each of those Target albums hold?
I have so many printed photos in albums from middle school, high school, and college. Did you go through any old albums and try to throw away some of your old photos? Do you also back up your photos on an external hard drive (before you have a chance to print them)? Those are all my questions for now :)
Another thing that makes me want to get more organized, is seeing other people’s stuff. I live in Nashville and spent this last weekend helping other people clean up from the flood. This one home had container after container and box after box of memories, and their life, and christmas decorations (holy cow they had a lot). ONE WEEK had gone by since the flood and they hadn’t moved any of it, because it was too much to handle. Their basement was packed. While I felt awful for them, it’s also a nice reminder to occasionally go through your stuff and re-evaluate what is important to you to keep. (They had to throw away most of their stuff anyway because one week in dirty flood water = disgusting smelly mess)
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Kate,
Each album holds 200 photos and we have around 12 of them which cover our lives from birth to now. We store them all in a hall closet (there are two shelves above the hanging bar which is where we have them all neatly lined up in order). The first one is all of John’s baby and childhood pics, the second one is all of mine, then we have each have one of our adolescent and teenage years and another one for all of our college lives before we met. Of course from the time that we met we combined albums so there’s no longer one for John and one for me (it’s actually really fun to see our lives as separate paths for the first few albums and then see them merge in the later albums).
So yes, we did go back through all of our old albums and pare down a ton of photos (John had around 50 wallet sized prints of his yearbook photos, etc) and that way we could select and enjoy the best photos of the bunch instead of flipping through pages of blurry and unimportant things from twenty years ago. As for backing things up on an external hard drive, we backup both of our computers a few times a month just due to the security of our blog (we would hate to lose personal photos, but we’d also hate to lose all of our blog archives and project photos) so we do have that added protection for our album pics until the end of the year when we burn that backup CD. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Lisa S. says
It looks great! That burst of energy always comes right before a baby wants to meet his parents! Aren’t you near your due date? I rmember cleaning like a mad woman before each one of my son’s was born.
YoungHouseLove says
Lisa S- Yup, we’re just a week away from my due date (although we suspect the beanette is going to make us wait a bit longer than that). I definitely have that nesting instinct going on!
Katie- Our albums have the three-sleeves-on-each-side format so they can each hold 200 photos (6 per open page, 3 on each side of the page). Hope it helps!
Cindi- The ribbon idea is definitely cute. Thanks for sharing!
Olga- We buy CD-Rs which can hold a ton of stuff- they easily house around 500-1000 photos which is way more than we print each year.
xo,
s
Katie says
Well done, I’m always so overwhelmed by all my photos on my computer and always regret that I can’t just flip through an album. It sounds like you’ve got a nice system, I’d love to see a shot of the pages inside just to see how many you manage to fit on each page, ect.
karissa says
Awesome post! I’ve been thinking about doing this for our photos and you’ve insipired me even more now. I’ve been looking for matching albums to do it and i’m definitely going to Target.
Dana says
It actually makes me a bit envious of your natural organizational talents, which I do not have myself. I, on the other hand, live in a world of chaos..haha!
Cindi says
Love the albums! However, the empty hole bothers me…I think it’s screaming for a little piece of ribbon! Just a little piece folded over with the loop stuck throught the hole and then the ends threaded through the loop. I think it would offer a finished touch.
I am envious at your organization! I used to be so good at it and have gotten away from it. I have been on a mission to declutter, simplify and organize this house. Hopefully by the end of the summer, it will all be finished and I’ll find peace in my home once again!
Olga says
How do you get all your year photos so fit on one CDs? It seems like a CD doesn’t fit that many, or is that just me..
Kerry says
I am dying to get all of my photos organized into chronological order in matching albums! Just need to find a whole bunch of the cheap somewhere! I just picked up a bunch of old photos from high school from my parents that need to be organized – your post is definitely given me a boost to get on it!
Amanda@Reno366 says
Hi,
Great idea my photos are all over the place! I used to get photos developed at CVS or Target, but actually found it pricey. I know you like to save money so thought I’d give you the tip, I started using Clarkcolor and found it very easy and 8 cents a print!! It is easy to enlarge photos, and very cheap! Once the photos are uploaded, you can order more of the same print too.
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Amanda,
Thanks so much for the tip! We’ll have to check out Clarkcolor.
xo,
s
Lisa says
I am also going through this crazy need to organize and get rid of everything in our house that we don’t use! I’m calling it marriage nesting since we’re getting married in October :-) I admire your ability to delete any digital pictures that are not worth printing–I don’t have the heart to do it. Right now all of our photos are stored by event by year on our network drive. I think I like the idea of switching over to monthly folders though–easier to remember the order in which things happened! This past weekend I tackled my closet and ended up with 3 large garbage bags of clothes to donate and 2-3 grocery bags of random stuff that Goodwill can sell. Last night I cleared paperbacks that I’ll never read again off my bookshelf and offered them up to a bunch of my girlfriends and this weekend I’m planning to go through all of the printed photos I have that I also have digitally and get rid of the ones that are just taking up space. This is only part of my list–I have many more projects to come over the summer!
I love your site and you have given us some great ideas for DIY home improvement–thanks for sharing!
Pine Tree Home says
I am so on the organizing bandwagon. I recently updated my basement and bought some new shiny shelves. I am in the process of making an area for pantry overflow, household and craft storage. It’s so much fun. I too get great tips from fellow bloggers. I love your albums..Target huh?
Kim says
I just did some organizing last night that made me so proud. We don’t have any cabinets in our bathroom, only drawers, so the clutter is out of control. I went to BB&B and picked up drawer organizers with slanted dividers. I placed everything in it’s spot and since everything is slanted, super easy to see and grab what you need. I just posted a pic up on lifeafterthevows.blogspot.com
Robin J says
I didn’t read through all the previous comments, but most scrapbook stores (Michaels, etc) sell those similar circle labels without the holes and with backs that are already sticky. They stay put too. I think it’s just a buck or two for these labels. Happy nesting!
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Robin J,
Definitely good to know!
xo,
s
Amanda says
Funny-I would have pegged you for a scrap-booker. Are you going to make a special album for/about Beanette?
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Amanda,
You just wait! We actually have a post about that in the hopper. Stay tuned…
xo,
s
Brittany says
I love your albums and organization! The only thing I’m not a fan of is CVS! CVS prints won’t last, they’ll fade and potentially fall apart. My number 1 recommendation is MPix – they’re professional quality. They’re more expensive than 8 cents a print but it’s worth it if you want your grandchildren to be able to see the pictures.
YoungHouseLove says
Good to know Brittany! We were happy that our Target albums came with archival quality paper and those protective plastic sleeves. We’ll have to look into MPix though. Thanks for the suggestion!
xo,
s
Miki says
Ha! Looks great. I did the same sort of things in the month leading up to my son’s birth!
I saw this and thought of you…maybe because it almost looks like white ceramic yet is earthy and organic?
http://www.pbteen.com/products/coconut-shell-table-lamp/?pkey=cside-table-bedroom-lamps
YoungHouseLove says
That’s so fun! ZGallerie used to (and maybe still does) have something similar and I’ve loved it forever!
xo,
s
Barbara says
I can’t say that I’ve ever thought about photo storage that hard! I definitely feel like a complete slacker now.
Emily says
I have def become a fan of organizing more lately…I’m a recovering pack rat and have been selling/donating/recycling/ and repurposing everything in site! It has been fun to live more simply!
Kiley says
Slap you? Never! I want to high five you.
I never thought about doing this. I recently organized my extra closet and bought new storage bins to hold all my albums, but they’re all mismatched sizes and hard to fit in that bin. So this would be a perfect solution, albeit, time consuming!
How long did this take you? I’d have to take my photos out of their current albums and put them in new ones! Whew! Thinking about it is kind of fun though. You get to look through old memories as you go…
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Kiley,
Paring down and transferring the old photos from our childhood and adolescence took us a few hours on the weekend in front of the TV, but it was a fun little walk down memory lane and it felt so good to shed a million and one stupid and blurry photos that no longer mean anything to us so we can now appreciate and enjoy the ones that are more important from those days. Then sorting our current photos and putting them in order took another few hours in front of the TV (we did this a few days later to give ourselves a little break) and slipping them into the numbered albums didn’t really take any brain power at all, but it took a few more hours in front of the TV another week or so later. Just giving the project a few hours here or there without devoting all of your attention to it seems to do the trick. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
Becca says
You guys continue to inspire me to get organized! I have sooooo many photos and its really daunting to think about how to keep them all organized and preserved. I love that iPhoto does a lot of the work for me but I do want to start burning discs like you guys. I read this awesome article about organization in Real Simple. Check out this great system for storing digital photo discs:
http://www.realsimple.com/home-organizing/organizing/organization-secrets-00000000028133/page4.html
YoungHouseLove says
Very cool. Thanks for the link Becca!
xo,
s
Jodi says
I’m an archivist / preservationist by trade so I realize I may be a little over-the-top regarding this but please, PLEASE keep a digital back-up copy of your pics in an online storage (Snapfish, Kodak, etc. are free and work great). You cannot fix or preserve a damaged digital picture and CDs have a limited lifespan, even with little to no touching – after a while, the pixels break down and once even a tiny bit of information is lost, the entire image is gone. My husband (an IT guy – so we’re pretty obsessive about digital preservation, haha) and I dump all our pics into year folders on our hardrive, then upload the pics to an online repository as a back-up. At the end of the year, we usually have a photo album created with the ‘best of’ the pics from that year – on most online sites, you can digitally scrapbook the pics and then have them printed in a hardcover album with a spine label printed on, usually for around $45 or so. Then, should something happen to an album you can just reprint it with a click. Something to think about when dealing with digital images…
YoungHouseLove says
Thanks so much for the tip Jodi! We feel pretty protected having our photos burned, printed, and saved on our external hard drive, but I guess you can’t be too careful so Flickr or Snapfish is a good double backup idea as well. We do have our wedding and honeymoon photos stored there so it’s a start. Maybe we’ll move some of our other favorite photos there as well.
xo,
s
Jennifer says
My mom has kept all her photos organized in matching binders with a tag on the spine stating the beginning and end of each album. I don’t know how many she has, but my dad built reinforced bookshelves in the laundry room to house them all. I was born in 1979 and they date back prior to my birth….she’s awesome like that.
She also scrapbooks but those are separate albums.
On my computer, I organize my photos by year, then season, then in a folder labeled with the actual date and the event. For example, Christmas photos would be in 2009–>Q4–>20091225_Christmas. I found that I couldn’t always remember the actual month something happened, but I could usually remember what year and if it was summer or not. :-)
Kristin says
Hi!
If self-burnt CDs or DVDs are the only storage for your old photos, please remember to buy new blank CDs and re-burn everything once every few years or so. Those CDs don’t last forever – I once had a movie collection I really loved (collected animated movies from my childhood, recorded myself from video casettes), but as it took to much space on my hard drive i burnt them all to DVDs. After a year I wanted to watch one of them again and all the DVDs were broken… all other DVDs which were of less value to me remained okay. Now, a few years later, we hae a small home server solely for file storage which takes daily, weekly and monthly backups on its own hard drive and once in a while on an external one.
Back to topic – those organized photo books are just nice to look at! It is much more fun to look at your old photos when you know where they are and not having to sort a bunch of blurred photos before.
YoungHouseLove says
Hey Kristin,
Great tip! Thanks for the reminder!
xo,
s
Jennifer says
Question for Jodi – doesn’t snapfish not save the actual file though? I thought only flickr did. I think there’s one other site that does. I do have a lot of pics on snapfish, but I didn’t think I’d be able to retrieve the file from them after I upload it to their site. True? False?
Right now, I save my pics on my computer, on 2 EHDs, and the once a season I make two copies on CDs. Photos are REALLY important in our family. I want to do what’s best!
Christin says
Nice system. :) We’re currently uploading all of our CDs to our iTunes account. It’s a slow process, but it’s great and soon we’ll be ablet o just put our CDs in storage and get rid of our disk changer – since we only use our iPod anyway. Away with the clutter of CD books! Our photos are saved in our External HD as well as on a website that we print our photo’s through. It’s a project that needs more fine tuning b/c we rarely print photos anymore and I miss that!
Jenni says
Brilliant!!! Thank you, thank you! I have had a lot of fun organizing a ‘recipe’ and a ‘decor’ binder–inspired by yours, but I have not been motivated enough to go through all of my pictures–probably because I couldn’t think of a good system–until now! I am really looking forward to creating a nice, clean album collection, and paring down the clutter (digitally and physically speaking). I’ll have to help my mom and grandmother go through their boxes of old photos too! Great project for us grandkids ;)
Deb says
You could also use Glossy Accents found in the scrapbooking section at your local craft store to make your numbers stick. Let it set for a bit and it won’t budge. I use it to attach bulky accents to my craft projects. You can also use it on top of things to make it look like it has an epoxy finish.
YoungHouseLove says
Good to know Deb. Thanks for the tip!
xo,
s
sara says
This reminds me of one of my inspiration photos torn from some mag and put in my binder. They tied a length of leather lacing around the spine of the album, under the front cover, knotting it in the middle of the spine and attached the white tags to the knot (using the silver rings)
YoungHouseLove says
Cute idea Sara! Thanks so much for sharing. And as for Cheryl, does anyone have any scanner recommendations for her?
xo,
s
Cheryl says
I’ll be sorting, scanning, burning photos this winter when I have more time and need less time in the garden. Since our 3 children are all grown and we kept albums throughout their childhoods, we realized that we only have one copy of our family album (many volumes long) but they will need their very own album now. We have many photos before the digital age. ugh! I’ve already dismantled all the albums and now all the pics are in one big box, WAITING for me!
My question is: Does anyone know of a scanner that is easy, easy to use and very good? I thought I might use BookSmart online to create an album that can also include text, like a real book. That way I can purchase three copies of the same book.
keri says
organizing your digital files is as important as organizing your prints!!
I’m a photographer, so the system I’ve found to work best for me is to label the folders as follows (if we were to take a photo shoot today of your house)
2010_05_11 – john and sherry house
this is great for a few reasons –
when i put photos on my backup drive, i just have to scroll to see what was the last date added so i’m not worrying about duplicate backups or missed folders.
also, i can either search by time frame, or keyword. i always try to make the title as descriptive as possible.
this system works AMAZING and every new years day I take all the previous year’s photos, burn them on discs (remember, they’re already on the backup drive) and wipe them off my hard drive.
I agree with Jodi – CDs and DVDs are limited technology. a backup hard drive is the way to go! especially on major savings holidays like black friday, you can get them at a very reasonable price – more cost-effective than CDs!
keri says
cheryl –
i’m an avid canon fan! I’ve had the same scanner for easily 5+ years – they have ones that can also scan negatives, which are pricer, but work fabulously.
Sara B says
Clean or organize anything lately? One week ago we found two rogue bedbugs in my room and I have been on a non-stop purge/cleaning binge ever since. The exterminator says we don’t have an infestation and that I caught them within hours of bringing them into the house, but the whole situation makes me want to pare down.
Oh nyc, you are a cruel city.
Alicia Damron says
I do the same thing with my personal photos. When I switched to digital I was determined I wasn’t going to be one of those people that left my photos on my card or computer for eternity because I love having photo albums to flip through. And that’s what works for me, I just get them printed once a month.
ally says
Tee! You reminded me of when I was nesting and cleaned my stove with a toothpick, a q-tip and some baking soda. Hopefully you don’t get to THAT point. :0)